sti cani ma soprattutto sti padroni

sembola ha scritto:

Io direi che il concetto è passato, evitiamo di infierire con sarcasmi ed ironie.

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gattomiau ha scritto:

Un lanciafiamme montato sul manubrio? non fa rumore, inviti gli amici orientali per la grigliata, e fai prevenzione incendi boschivi potenzialmente innescati da esplosioni incontrollate.

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sembola ha scritto:

Il fatto che possano essere cani randagi (già questo un fatto tutto da dimostrare) non autorizza a mettere in campo azioni sproporzionate rispetto alla minaccia. A te un petardo può sembrare solo un mezzo per spaventare, ma potrebbe ferire l'animale ed esporti a conseguenze penali (maltrattamento di animale) e civili (risarcimento al proprietario se non è un animale randagio). Senza contare che "gli animali del bosco" hanno tutto il diritto di non essere spaventati, e nel caso basta un campanellino...

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Danixele ha scritto:

Scusami mi sono un pò perso nei vari commenti anche precedenti della discussione, ma quindi, riassumendo, quali possono essere soluzioni efficaci reali in caso di incontro con cani randagi diciamo potenzialmente agressivi ?

Un fischietto ad ulltrasuoni funzionerebbe ?

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Jaco MtB ha scritto:

Secondo me più che di soluzioni materiali (fischietti,spray etc etc...) in un caso come quello che descrivi serve mettere in atto una serie di comportamenti "corretti" evitando quelli "sbagliati". Insomma,bisogna sapere come comportarsi.

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Danixele ha scritto:

Scusami mi sono un pò perso nei vari commenti anche precedenti della discussione, ma quindi, riassumendo, quali possono essere soluzioni efficaci reali in caso di incontro con cani randagi diciamo potenzialmente agressivi ?

Un fischietto ad ulltrasuoni funzionerebbe ?

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Danixele ha scritto:

Che sarebbero... ???

Non correre, non urlare e non ridere o mostrare i denti ?
Quali comportamenti bisogna adottare contro uno o più cani randagi o ancor peggio forse cighialotti in-----si

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gattomiau ha scritto:

Già, ormai i selvatici si avvicinano sempre più ai centri abitati. Per il lupo di Cavoretto non so, visto che non è una zona ad elezione di allevamenti ovini ma tutto è possibile. Chissà forse era solo un lupo cecoslovacco fuggito da una casa della zona. Un amico ne possiede uno e posso dire che è molto simile al tipo che vive nelle alpi, solo di taglia più grande, essendo un fortunato che lo ha visto in pieno giorno.
E' dal 2006 che quando rivedo mentalmente l'incontro, la fissità dello sguardo che trapassa, le movenze guardinghe con la calma di chi sa di essere al vertice della catena alimentare mi viene la pelle d'oca, come ora.

Una sensazione diversa che guardare negli occhi una persona attraente.

Il problema dei cani, aggressivi e non, lasciati liberi non va sottovalutato ma se la gente continua a prendere animali e poi per andare in vacanza se ne libera come può anche qui c'è ancora moltissima strada da fare.

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Danixele ha scritto:

Che sarebbero... ???

Non correre, non urlare e non ridere o mostrare i denti ?
Quali comportamenti bisogna adottare contro uno o più cani randagi o ancor peggio forse cighialotti in-----si

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Manolo Rodriguetz ha scritto:

ce la siamo cavata solo con un cambio di mutande!

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   Do not panic. There's some truth to the old adage that dogs and other animals can "sense fear". If you become agitated and run or scream, you may make the dog feel more confident in his attack, or, worse, you may appear threatening to the dog. Neither of these is a good situation to be in.
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   Make yourself rigid and motionless. When a dog approaches, stand completely still with your hands at your sides, like a tree, and avert your eyes.[1] In many cases the dog will lose interest and walk away if you ignore him.
   • Do not wave your arms around or kick with your legs; the dog may perceive these actions as threatening.
   • Don't make eye contact, since that could also cause the dog to lunge.
   • Stand sideways to the dog and keep him in your peripheral vision instead of facing him and making eye contact. This will signal to the dog that you are not a threat.
   • Don't open your hands and arms up to a bite by extending them. Keep your fingers curled into fists to avoid getting them bitten. The dog may come quite close, even sniffing you, without actually biting.
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   Do not try to run away. Running away can awaken the dog's prey instinct to chase and catch animals. He may pursue you vigorously even if his initial intent was just playful. Additionally, you won't be able to outrun most dogs if you're on foot. Even if you are on a bicycle, many dogs will be able to catch up to you.[2]
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   Distract the dog with another object. If the dog continues to threaten you, offer him something to chew on, such as your backpack or water bottle: anything but your arm or leg. This may distract him enough to give you time to escape.
   • You may want to carry treats or toys when traveling in areas known to be home to dangerous dogs. If approached by an angry dog, throw your treats or toy away from you. The dog may go after these instead of you.
   
   
   

Part 2 of 4: Defending and Protecting Yourself

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   Face the dog and command, "back away." If the dog continues to behave aggressively, and ignoring or pacifying him is no longer working, face him and sternly command him to leave.
   • Use a strong, deep, and confident commanding voice.
   • Continue to avoid making eye contact.
   • The dog may become discouraged or intimidated and leave.
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   Fight back against an attacking dog. If the dog starts biting you, you've got to defend yourself. Hit or kick the dog in the throat, nose, and the back of the head. This will stun the dog and give you time to get away.[3]
   • It's okay to raise your voice at this point. Yell for help as you're fighting back. Hopefully others will hear and come to your aid. However, avoid screaming as this may lead the dog to strengthen his attack.
   • If you have a stick or another weapon, you can (and should) use it to hit the dog. Don't hit him over the top of the head, though; most dogs have very thick skulls, so this will only serve to make the dog angrier. If available, mace or pepper spray also work as a good defense against an attacking dog.
   • Fight as though your life depends on it, because it does. Dog attacks can be fatal. While you certainly don't want to hurt a dog unnecessarily, you should use force as necessary if you are being seriously attacked.
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   Use your weight to your advantage. Bring your entire body weight to bear on the animal, specifically pushing down with the hard points of your knees or elbows. Dogs are vicious biters but cannot wrestle, so try to get an advantageous position and break their bones fairly quickly. Get on top of the animal and concentrate force on areas such as the throat or ribs while minding to keep your face out of clawing/biting range.
   • If you are looking for a more humane solution and can manage it, straddle the back of the dog with your partial body weight and apply forward pressure to the back of the neck to immobilize the dog until help comes.
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   Protect your face, chest, and throat. If you fall to the ground during the attack, not only is it more difficult to fight off the angry dog, but vital areas on your torso, head, and neck become more vulnerable to attack. These are the most important spots on your body to protect because bites in these places will inflict the most damage and will have the greatest chance of killing you.
   • Protect your vitals[4] by rolling onto your stomach, tucking your knees in, and bringing your hands (balled in fists) up to your ears.
   • Resist the urge to scream or roll away, as these actions may further encourage the dog.[5]
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   Leave the area slowly and carefully. Once the dog loses interest in you, leave the scene of the attack slowly by backing away without sudden movements.[6]Staying calm and stationary can be a real test of your nerves in such a stressful situation, but it's the best thing to do as long as the dog isn't actually biting you.

Part 3 of 4: Handling the Aftermath

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   Attend to any wounds. If you are bitten, be sure to take care of any wounds promptly, as even minor bites can cause infection. Perform basic first aid procedures for bites suffered from a dog attack:
   • Apply gentle pressure to stop minor bleeding. Use a clean cloth or sterile gauze pad. If bleeding is serious or if it won't stop after several minutes of applying pressure, seek professional medical attention.
   • Wash the wound thoroughly. Use warm water and soap to gently cleanse the wound.
   • Dress the wound. Use a sterile band-aid (for very small cuts) or sterile bandages for larger lacerations.
   • Look closely for signs of infection, including redness, warmth, increasing tenderness, or oozing pus. See a doctor if any of these symptoms arise.
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   Call the authorities. It's important to determine whether an attacking dog has rabies or a history of aggression. Call the authorities immediately after a dog attack so that the dog can be prevented from harming anyone else and be tested for diseases.
   • If the dog that attacked you was a stray, he may attack others, too. Removing him from the area is the best way to ensure the safety of yourself and others.
   • For dogs with owners nearby, how you handle the situation after the attack has been diffused is up to you. If you've been hurt, you may want to take legal action. Many states have laws holding owners responsible for the actions of their dogs.
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   See a medical professional promptly. If you were bitten by an unknown dog, a dog that was later found to have rabies, or a dog that appeared to be foaming at the mouth, it's imperative that you see a doctor right away to get preventative treatment for the deadly disease rabies.
   • The rabies shot sequence, if it is necessary, should be started as soon as possible after the bite.
   • Most European countries are considered to be “rabies-free,” so a shot is not likely to be necessary in the event of an attack that takes place in Europe.
   • If you haven't had a tetanus shot in the past 5 years, you may require additional preventative tetanus treatments.
   • In general, any significant wounds from a dog attack should be examined by a medical professional.
   
   
   

Part 4 of 4: Taking Precautions Against Attacks

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   Look for warning signs. Most dogs are not aggressive, but, rather, just curious or defending what they perceive as their territory. Thus, to avoid unnecessary conflict, it is important to be able to tell if a dog is just playing or is being truly aggressive. While some breeds have been singled out as being particularly vicious, any mid-size and large dog breed can be dangerous,[7] so do not ignore warning signs because you think a certain breed is harmless or friendly. Watch for common signs of aggression (and non-aggression):[8]
   • Growling, snarling, and baring teeth are obvious displays of aggression and should be treated as such.
   • An angry dog may show the whites of his eyes, especially if these aren't normally visible.
   • Pulled-back ears laying flat against the head are a telltale sign of aggression, whereas normal floppy or elevated ears usually signal a dog's nonchalance.
   • If the dog approaches you with its body relaxed and with a sloping curve in its midsection, the dog is probably not going to attack.
   • A dog whose body is tense, straight and stiff (head, shoulders and hips aligned) could mean business.
   • A loping gait means the dog is playful and checking you out. An even, steady run means the dog may be dangerous.
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   Avoid aggravating a dog. Most dog attacks are the result of insufficient containment of the dog, poor training, or taunting. Unfortunately, the world will never be rid of bad owners, so it is wise to be prepared. Common sense should tell you not to aggravate any kind of animal.
   • Never irritate a dog who's eating or caring for her pups. Dogs are extra-protective during these times.
   • Avoid smiling at the dog. You may think you are putting on a friendly face with a big toothy smile, but an aggressive dog sees you baring your teeth for a fight.
   • Dogs that are chained or tethered to a stationary object for extended periods of time are more likely to be aggressive, so do not come within their reach.
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   Assume all unknown dogs are threats. In general, the best policy when it comes to dog attacks is to do everything you can to avoid them in the first place. If you see a dog that may be dangerous, stay away.
   • Report any dangerous-looking dogs or possible strays in your neighborhood to the authorities.
   • Teach your children never to approach unfamiliar dogs until they are sure they are safe.
   • By giving all unknown dogs a wide berth until you find evidence that they are safe, you can avoid the majority of dangerous dog encounters.

Tips

• If you are with a young child, particularly if you have crossed the path of a large dog, you may deem it necessary to hold the child in your arms. As you pick the child up, move slowly. Don't look the dog in the eye, especially when crouching down. Tell the child to stay calm and quiet, and to look at you.
• Teach children the mnemonic "Never run from a dog, be a tree or a log" in case they ever encounter an aggressive dog.
• If cycling, dismount and keep the bicycle between you and the dog. This will create a barrier of protection. If a dog is attacking you (not just barking) use the bicycle as a weapon to strike the dog. Holding the bicycle by the stem (handlebars) and the seat, swing the bicycle tire to hit the dog. Don't lose your grip, as, if so, you will have lost a valuable defensive tool.
• If you suspect you may encounter vicious dogs, carry pepper spray, an air horn, or a can of compressed air to startle the dog out of the attack. Aim for the face, but in case you miss, it might be enough even if sprayed close to the face or on the body, because a dog's nose is very sensitive. In this case repeat over and over if necessary until the dog stops.
• Dogs sense your fear, but also your determination for defense, except if the dog is really aggressive (rabid, a history of abuse or frustration, etc).
• Never turn your back to the dog, always keep it in your sight but do not look directly at it. Do not try to seem more threatening than the dog or make any sudden movements. Keep your movements slow and steady. Do not approach the dog or back away until the dog shows no sign of aggression.
• If the dog is howling at you, keep walking to leave the area slow and steady, avoid the eye contact at all costs.
• If a dog is running toward you, whatever you do, don't run. It might not be mad, it might just want to play tag or try to know you. But if you try running that might tick them off a bit. Just because a dog might look or sound mean, doesn't mean they will hurt you. Dogs need love too!
• If the dog has its ears back against its head that signals fear, and if the ears are up and directed towards you that is more likely to be an expression of dominance or aggression.

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Manolo Rodriguetz ha scritto:

Ciao,

io tempo fa ho trovato questo video su youtube che fornisce indicazioni utili...

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s64Tafn3IdU"][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s64Tafn3IdU[/URL][/URL]

Purtroppo ho anche avuto necessità di metterle in pratica! E' andata bene anche se in alcune circostanze sono stato salvato dai pastori e ce la siamo cavata solo con un cambio di mutande!

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gattomiau ha scritto:

Ah! Interessante il video, molto interessante, grazie Manolo Rodriguetz!
Consiglio vivamente di leggere i commenti al video, così tanto per farsi un'idea di come ruota il pianeta sull'argomento

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Danixele ha scritto:

Purtroppo una buona parte delle persone non è in grado di essere obiettiva ad affrontare gli argomenti, ma si schiera da una parte o dall'altra in toto e gli estremismi non hanno portato mai niente di buono.

Lo si vede anche in determinati commenti nella discussione stessa, sia in un senso che nell'altro.

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